Nietzsche, morality, shamanism


Too many people die with their souls yet unborn.



What shamanistic systems do (that moralistic systems do not) is to put you in a relationship with yourself. 

Moralistic systems are actually designed to avoid this, since they are constructed in order to prevent you from succumbing to harm/danger. However, one cannot deeply know anything without free experimentation. In particular one cannot know the limits of anything, without experiencing some degree of harm. So, morality, which seeks to save us from harm, is always in danger of doing us ongoing harm by denying us self-knowledge.


Moralistic systems' covert intention is to deliver an unborn soul into the hands of a deity.  Shamanistic practices crack the shell of the self to reveal one's true nature.


Cf.   http://unsanesafe.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/im-very-well-now-but-its-taken-time.html


Marechera, Bataille and Nietzsche. Shamanism's initiatory method is designed to facilitate a return to oneself. Basic shame prevents the return and must be combated by setting aside illusions that produce self-doubt. You don't learn to respect yourself until you've combated yourself in your worst nightmares. Only then do you have the capacity to learn self-love (not really "self-esteem" but rather in self-respect and self-knowledge. We respect a formidable foe -- and we learn that we are that formidable foe.)


13 comments:

Swanditch said...
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Jennifer F. Armstrong said...

Is there anything in the weather that provides a reason not to hurt others? How about is there anything in the stock exchange that provides such a reason?

Why does everything need to be turned into a system of morality?

Or do you need such a system to dominate you, to tell you hurting others is wrong?

Swanditch said...

So the Gukurahundi was fine.

Jennifer F. Armstrong said...

If you think that hurting others is fine, then yes. But you seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

Swanditch said...

Don't get irrational now.

Jennifer F. Armstrong said...

Shamanism is about learning more concerning the irrational sides of human nature. You would be surprised, perhaps, to know that the injunction, "Don't be irrational now" is itself extremely irrational, as this way of addressing me shuts down communication and makes out that what there is to know is already known by you. (After all you are drawing your own rather arbitrary lines concerning what your are, or are not, open to.)

If you already know everything there is to know about shamanism, why are you addressing me? Isn't your comment very irrational?

Swanditch said...
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Jennifer F. Armstrong said...

Are you now intimating that when you said, "Don't be irrational now" that this was not closing off communication?

How do you normally respond, when you give somebody an answer and they come back with "Don't be irrational now'?

What do you interpret it to mean in your particular experience?

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"When one is misunderstood as a whole, it is impossible to remove completely a single misunderstanding. One has to realize this lest one waste superfluous energy on one's defense."NIETZSCHE