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    Interesting stuff. Yes, a lot of people cannot understand the architecture of the self. In general there can be many layers to it. Odd that the current social system in the West seems to normalize a limit to emotional development in most people beyond the age of about eight years old. That is why those who face life with any sense of its complexity are taught to “trust others more” and to present themselves as bubbly pizza delivery boys, in service of a notionally great humanity. How does one continue to think this way beyond the age of eight, however, especially after one begins to learn what humanity actually is?

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  2. (4) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Does Jordan Peterson understand post-modernism? - Quora

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    I don’t think anyone “understands” postmodernism, actually. It is more of a mood than a mode of thinking — a mood of skepticism and multiplicity. In some respects it is an emotional state of emptiness and nihilism that in turn leads to a preselection of different world views that jive with this internal state. For some this state of mind reaches almost an internal fervor of mysticism, since all roads point to it (at least the roads internal to the person’s mind). The postmodern mental state seems to be both they culmination and end of Western philosophizing about anything, plus the very beginning point of it (as if we never started to philosophize at all, and the whole of Western culture was a mistake).

    Given that the pinnacle of postmodernism is a mystical experience, it cannot be rationally understood. It can only be experienced.

    Does Jordan Peterson participate in the experience of postmodernism, then? (This is the better question.)

    I think he does, although not in the sense that he is standing on the peak. More rather he is half way up the mountain that leads to the postmodern conclusion, which is the shedding of anything and everything conceptual as well as concrete.

    To survive the modern world, arguably one has to be a bit of a “postmodernist” — that is to treat things nihilistically and also with a sense of their multiplicity. And Jordan Peterson (as well as Donald Trump) — two populist success stories of this age — both use language in a suggestive and indistinct way, to appeal to underlying feeling states in others without having to name them. These might be (and assuredly are) a feeling of nostalgia for “men’s rights”, an underlying need for more assurance of stability, and a need of feel self esteem on the basis of having the “right” identity.

    There is a certain mysticism in the multiplicity of language use as well — since one word may have different meanings to different people, and Jordan Peterson is careful not to be precise about what exactly he means when speaking of “we” in the West. Indeed whether one includes or excludes oneself from Jordan Peterson’s implicit multiplicity of “we” is entirely based on one’s own emotional response.

    When I, for instance, listen to how glorious the experience of Western culture is, and always has been, from Peterson’s perspective, I get a distinct impression he is talking about somebody other than me, specifically the experience of an affluent upper middle-class North American) I am excluded. (I’m from Africa and later I have done it tough — I’m not part of this illusive and illusionary dream.) At the same time many people —perhaps the majority — would opt to be included in this dream of Western culture being great right from its inception. It is reassuring to think positively, and Americans, for a number of reasons, choose thinking positively rather than using knowledge about history as their motivational point. Thus, Jordan Peterson puts out a lure to anyone who is feeling, “I deserve to think of myself as great,” and “Let’s make Western culture great again.” But the “we” that is implied in his thinking still reminds nebulous.

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  3. Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Can schizoids experience paranoia, for instance, overanalyzing others for malicious intent? - Quora


    Just to clarify, ‘Schizoids’ are not usually diagnosed as ‘paranoid’. At least in my experience. Not to say that these problems don’t exist.

    That would be an ethical problem. This is why some of the psychoanalytic language of earlier psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who diagnosed everyone with a “pat

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    Thanks Poppy. I still think that these so called personality disorders, especially as delivered by the DSM suffer from “bubbly Pizza delivery boy syndrome”. The DSM is out so get anyone who fits outside of the lines of the bubbly Pizza delivery boy (the boy or girl with a pleasant disposition, not too bright, who can deliver my pizza without fucking up). However, my own knowledge leads to to observe that there is deep complexity in both narcissistic and schizoid dispositions — and that narcissistic complexes are an adjustment to functioning under unstable conditions of Capitalist competition, and that “schizoid” is an adaptation to functioning under a military dictatorship, respectively.

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  4. Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Can schizoids experience paranoia, for instance, overanalyzing others for malicious intent? - Quora

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    I have no idea.

    When I was analysing the schizoid phenotype, I was basically looking at the different system of internal logic of distinct cultural groups, for instance the Western type (which normalizes narcissism to a degree) versus the Japanese (which normalizes a schizoid form of internal psycho-logic).

    But this is quite different from the ideas spouted by the DSM, to the extent that we are not even talking about the same thing.

    To give you an idea — the Japanese phenotype still has a lot more of the warrior spirit in it, which was from the Feudal society of the past, in its origin. Comparatively, Western society is way more individualistic and normalizes competition in all spheres of life. Hence the collectivism, bashfulness and politeness of Japanese society is “schizoid”, whereas Western culture is “narcissistic”

    As for the degree to which paranoia prevails in either of these cultures may be anybody’s guess, however, “schizoid” is a way of shutting down the socially reactive mechanisms, so that overanalyzing others or looking out for “malicious intent” would be less likely in this case than in a narcissistic culture, where everybody is potentially your personal enemy (schizoid culture is inherently collectivist — so it would be the community on the lookout of malicious intent, rather than the individual).

    Also I have another correction for the DSM. The reason why safety is emphasized in a “schizoid culture” — for example a warrior culture — is because the culture is warlike in some manner. If you are going to make enemies in war, you need to look out for your safety. This stands to reason. Thus the “safety orientation” of a schizoid culture. In fact, I would say that people born into a schizoid culture court danger, and consequently they also need to face the opposite side to that same coin of needing to feel safe. All of the martial arts can be put down to this very disposition — which is, surprise, surprise geared toward making you feel safer. Needless to say, those who do not take any risks would not need to focus so much on their own safety.

    So, what was the question again? The answer at any rate is to make better sense of internal systems of psychology, rather than trying to paint people as monsters without rhyme or reason.

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    Are there people who seek out narcissists?
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    I never sought these devils out, but the fact was that superficially I resembled them — although for entirely different reasons.

    Cluster B types are unstable — or destabilized characters — who never really found their footing in life, because of childhood trauma, or perhaps because of inappropriate coping methods (having found themselves a round peg in a square hole, or something like that).

    In my case, I’d had a perfectly stable life, with a lot of meaningfulness,, belongingness and happiness, until I was wrenched from my homeland at the age of 15 and forced to adapt to another culture that I had no prior knowledge about, and couldn’t understand.

    And of course people were rather intolerant. Instead of saying, “Well she has no idea how things operate around here because she has spent the first fifteen years of her life operating on different principles and in an entirely different setting, people said, “Well she must have been goofing off during the time that others were focusing and learning the basis lessons of life. She must need some punishment and scolding to make her see sense.”

    Due to the absurdity of the situation that I then found myself in, I could not settle down. Everything seemed wild, crazy and unstable — if you made the smallest misstep because you hadn’t learned the ropes, people came down on you like nobody’s business. It was like they were perpetually angry and irate. Anyway, the stability I’d had before was all gone, post-migration, and I kept irritating and upsetting people with my missteps.

    That was until finally I leaned to adjust my expectations, and view life and the world as inherently unstable — I made the psychological leap of learning to expect extreme instability. Or in other words, using a concept that Robert Torbay has so eloquently expressed — I learned to operate in the world on the basis of embracing the fact that I had an ongoing narcissistic injury, which, however, enabled me to defend myself against the next assault on my system of meaning.

    In any case, superficially I came to resemble Cluster Bs— although, very, very superficially, because I always tried to build relationships and stability. On the other hand, I resonated most with those whose premises of life were to accept that life was inherently unstable — the Cluster Bs. It was a profound self-misunderstanding. And I paid dearly for it.

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  6. (4) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Why is genius and insane interrelated with famous quotes pointing towards the thin line between the two? - Quora

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  7. Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Do you agree with the statement, 'Not many people understand irony today'? - Quora

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    I have written another answer elsewhere about how sarcasm (and irony to a great extent) relies on having social norms — an implicit different state with which to compare the present one. In a changing society, or a society that has turned rogue, gone extreme, there is no longer any implicit point of comparison with anything more normal, which would make it difficult for people, therefore, to understand this kind of figure of speech.

    But I also think there is another point. People these days are brought up to be emotional, soft-hearted — and also as a by-product, gullible, pliant, manipulatable and overwrought. To be ironic, that is to say, to take things ironically requires a bit of a hard heard and nerves of steel. But these kind of things are the opposite to the modern personality structure.

    It is our personality that guides our sense of any underlying tone or meaning in a text or in the words of others. We will tend to either err toward the side of seeing meanings as dryly humorous and intellectual, or in the opposite sense, emotionally wet and appealing to our pliancy.

    Ironic people are in a sense rigid. The absolutely need irony, because they cannot bend or they would break. Ironic viewpoints are the shock absorbers that enable them to endure life.

    But the modern personality is pliant, more than to a fault — quite gullible in general, and always looking to be influenced by anything emotional. They will misread irony and express sympathy for impossible things that don’t really exist. Or, more than likely they will become enraged at the ironic person for saying something seemingly unconscionable, because the other person’s words simply went over their heads.

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  8. Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Do you think it is better to be sensitive or tough, and why? - Quora

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    The words describing these things do what all words do — they try to bracket some discrete phenomena as somehow being meaningful and significant — but in the end, our views about their meanings seems to reduce to something merely cultural.

    In other words, in American society there may be a distinction made between “sensitive” and “tough” as it to imply that these are polar opposites. But in reality, much of life is more complicated, and escapes the meanings that some people, for instance Americans, try to pin down.

    For instance, let us consider bombing Dresden. But today, we do not have “sensitive” instruments, so we will bomb somewhere else, in the ocean, instead.

    The tough guy who doesn’t really have an orientation to the world, who lack attunement to it, in other words “sensitivity”, is not going to have more than a minor impact.

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  9. The current set of values, as well as the modern style of education, do not teach students how anyone can exist who could be extremely different from themselves. There is an increasing level of intolerance toward values that are not “politically correct”, which is to say any values that deviate too far from the contemporary, modern values we have become used to.

    This is also to say that our comprehension of historical figures is entirely flattened, and rendered almost incomprehensible, and our knowledge becomes reduced to a basic moral dualism of good and evil.

    And this is why people nowadays are able to relate to another person who emotes — and only so long as the other person’s emotion is already on their wavelength. B

    But it is a huge stretch to ask someone who has not experienced a deep level of teaching about how the past was significantly different from the present, for them to understand differences of the mind cognitively.

    At best, with the current emphasis being on emotion, they can emote, and emote and then emote some more.

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    I think the biggest problem we have nowadays is the lack of understanding about how language functions. Somehow all the structuralism and poststructuralism has been forgotten (or in the case of the latter, misused), to the degree that people now tend to think, “When I say (let us use some typical buzz terms here) “Narcissism” or “empathy”, YOU know exactly what I mean by these, and if you do not seem to know, you are merely pretending not to know.

    But this leaves room for all sorts of manipulators to exploit ambiguity — NB not “ambivalence” but ambiguity. There is also no coherent underlying theory present in either the ideas of JP or of Donald Trump. Both of these postmodernist thinkers are anti-foundationalist and employ words pragmatically, whilst even hoping that there will be different camps who understand the terms entirely differently. It doesn’t matter, except for the purpose of increasing the audience for whatever one has to say.

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