Yes. I wonder, though if this is a rhetorical gesture on Nietzsche’s part, to seem to deny completely altruism. If we look at the situation differently for example if we place the value of obtaining and keeping power first, one does feel more energized and strong (including for the purpose of helping others …although not by design) than if we place “altruism” first. Altruism first dissipates the will. But Nietzsche sometimes hints that self-sacrifice is inevitable and unstoppable for those who attain to the level of masters.
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Nov28(27) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Who had a bigger impact on Heidegger, Nietzsche or Aristotle? - Quora
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Russel said this:
I dislike Nietzsche because he likes the contemplation of pain, because he erects conceit into a duty, because the men whom he most admires are conquerors, whose glory is cleverness in causing men to die. ... Nietzsche despises universal love; I feel it the motive power to all that I desire as regards the world.
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I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of Nietzsche here, in all respects. But I think the misunderstanding is also certainly based on a different world view.
But what Russel misses is Nietzsche’s ironic tone. No, Nietzsche does not despise love, as such, but certainly he cannot see a meaning in “universal love”. And surely Russell, too, who lived during a time of war, would not see how “universal love” governs during a major world war. Nietzsche, unlike Russell was a realist. However, if Russell proclaimed universal love, and its benefits, how many men did it save? How many were relieved from their duties at war due to the presence of this universal love? And how many of us is it saving today?
No—Nietzsche did not despise “universal love” anymore than he despised elves on the Christmas tree. He just didn’t think that they were worth addressing.
Apart from that, the men he admired were those he thought were not too boring. He noticed that humanity had a tendency to look favorably upon ancestors who at least made a mark in the world. And traditionally these ancestors did things that to modern eyes would seem quite barbaric. Indeed, I find it quite funny the way Nietzsche almost minces his tone on these points, tiptoeing back and forth from the point he wants to make — which was the same point that my history teacher in Zimbabwe made, when he said, “You know people pretend not to like violence, but they are more interested in it than anything else.” Nietzsche, in his way, was a fuddy-duddy 19th Century gentleman — but he thought this worthwhile bringing to our attention.
Moving along. The assertion was that Nietzsche erects conceit into a duty. Actually, plainly he does not. But Nietzsche was worried that genuine leadership was becoming a dying art. He wanted to reverse this trend. he thought it might be a good idea to have more people who would not shirk the responsibility of leadership.
As for “liking the contemplation of pain”, well that may be in the eye of the beholder. Certainly Nietzsche thought that the pleasure you could obtain from life was generally in equal quantity to the amount of pain you were prepared to absorb. it all hung on this issue of diving into experience, boots and all, without trying to minimize the pain involved. The consequence would be that you gained more experience, more opportunities to conquer your limitations, and also in general, as it happens, more pleasure. The contemplations of pain —”let us not seek for happiness. Only the Englishman does that” is supposed to lead you through the fuller, more holistic path.
Finally, as regards Russell’s desire to feel universal love for all of humanity, it is surely a good thing, as desires go. Desires are, however, not reality. For instance, my motive power is to save all of African wildlife from encroaching human populations, and give them a long existence on Earth. This I assert with every breath in my body, and I desire it to come true.
—But my desire, I think, is not the basis for criticizing the concerns of environmentalists, who say this is probably not going to happen. It doesn’t even matter if I desire it. My desire does not constitute a philosophical point.
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The will to power was not something “discovered” but rather the hypothesis that made the most sense for explaining how life on Earth works — especially human life.
The previous, more traditional idea, which Nietzsche seeks to replace, was that life is a moral quest, and that the events of life can be explained with reference to morality.
Nietzsche noticed that this mode of evaluation, using morality as a measure, doesn’t add up. For instance, people do not have a better life because they are “more moral”. And also, whether or not someone is actually evaluated as being “moral” nothing to do with the features of life that anybody can make a fundamental choice about. Those who tend to be more timid and thus driven to conform to similar conventions and orthodoxies will evaluate each other as “more moral”.
But they will also evaluate those who think differently from them, or who stand alone because they have stronger or more variable ideas as “immoral”. And in both cases, people tend to cling together or stand apart based on features that are totally unrelated to the good or evil valuations placed on these behaviors. Nietzsche thought that strong tended to separate, because they were strong, whereas the weak tended to band together because there was safety in numbers. Underlying this was different physiological constitutions, Nietzsche thought.
But then, how does one explain that there is such a thing called “morality” and that it evaluates human behavior on the basis of principles that bear little relation to how things actually occur? For instance (once again) we humans don’t really “make choices” as to whether we are going to belong to the herd, or whether we are going to be independently free standing. That kind of thing seems to have already been decided for us, by our constitutions. But those who embrace morality as an explanation want to make us feel responsible for those sorts of things that are outside of our control anyway.
Nietzsche said the explanation for this was “will to power” He saw the invention of morality as a particular kind of “will to power”, that would help preserve those weaker folk, who needed to band together, from the influence of the strong. In other words, their morality wasn’t really moral. It was not driven to achieve the betterment of society. Rather, it was an expression of powerful urges to feel in control. (And it was also a very narrow mode of control that they were seeking, which would exclude others, on principle. )
“Will to power” explained the moral judgements that came along from the who wanted to preserve their own well-being. It explained why “morality” is used as an excuse for narrow-mindedness. And it explained why generally those who use a lot of moral rhetoric and speech are, in principle, against “the strong”.
“Will to power” provides a very much more consistent idea of why people behave as they do., compared to the explanations rendered by “morality”.
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(4) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to This will to power that Nietzsche has discovered is fascinating. He seems to think it is the fundamental driving force of all living things. Is this correct? - Quora
(4) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to This will to power that Nietzsche has discovered is fascinating. He seems to think it is the fundamental driving force of all living things. Is this correct? - QuoraThe will to power was not something “discovered” but rather the hypothesis that made the most sense for explaining how life on Earth works — especially human life.
The previous, more traditional idea, which Nietzsche seeks to replace, was that life is a moral quest, and that the events of life can be explained with reference to morality.
Nietzsche noticed that this mode of evaluation, using morality as a measure, doesn’t add up. For instance, people do not have a better life because they are “more moral”. And also, whether or not someone is actually evaluated as being “moral” nothing to do with the features of life that anybody can make a fundamental choice about. Those who tend to be more timid and thus driven to conform to similar conventions and orthodoxies will evaluate each other as “more moral”.
But they will also evaluate those who think differently from them, or who stand alone because they have stronger or more variable ideas as “immoral”. And in both cases, people tend to cling together or stand apart based on features that are totally unrelated to the good or evil valuations placed on these behaviors. Nietzsche thought, rather that strong tended to separate, because they were strong, whereas the weak tended to band together because there was safety in numbers. Underlying this was different physiological constitutions, Nietzsche thought.
But then, how does one explain that there is such a thing called “morality” and that it evaluates human behavior on the basis of principles that bear little relation to how things actually occur? For instance (once again) we humans don’t really “make choices” as to whether we are going to belong to the herd, or whether we are going to be independently free standing. That kind of thing seems to have already been decided for us, by our constitutions. But those who embrace morality as an explanation want to make us feel responsible for those sorts of things that are outside of our control anyway.
Nietzsche said the explanation for this was “will to power” He saw the invention of morality as a particular kind of “will to power”, that would help preserve those weaker folk, who needed to band together, from the influence of the strong. In other words, their morality wasn’t really moral. It was not driven to achieve the betterment of society. Rather, it was an expression of powerful urges to feel in control. (And it was also a very narrow mode of control that they were seeking, which would exclude others, on principle. )
“Will to power” explained the moral judgements that came along from the who wanted to preserve their own well-being. It explained why “morality” is used as an excuse for narrow-mindedness. And it explained why generally those who use a lot of moral rhetoric and speech are, in principle, against “the strong”.
“Will to power” provides a very much more consistent idea of why people behave as they do., compared to the explanations rendered by “morality”.
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Jennifer I must point out that evolutionary psychology tells us that females are the selectors of males. This holds true for all k-selective species. Deep down men know that, so they overcompensate. Yes, alpha males (strutting and bossing around) will on the average leave more offspring, but then again females are more likely to select them, in many species the females will only mate with the alpha male. Overall, women are more likely to have offspring than males. The ‘scientific ‘ evidence is statistical but becomes very strong once you collect data over many generations. Women evolved traits to recognize and select successful males, males evolved traits to be successful. Given the economics of it all- eggs are scarce and sperm a dime a million - neither women nor men can always come out winners in the competition of life’s ultimate endeavour: to produce the next generation.
It is an exciting battle to squeeze those little ones out, Michael, and I applaud you for your effort. I also bestow on you one selection token. I will keep the others for the magnificent testicled creatures who can acknowledge that human history has been a very mixed affair, with a lot of societies very much curtailing women’s free choice. In fact, the right of women to “choose” has been a very recent affair in history. (And even now, as you rightfully point out, many women will need to put economics prior to choosing character and a pleasant disposition in their ideal mate.) Anyway, good luck to all the winners and losers out there! in the mean time, keep putting the word “scientific” in its allotted quotation marks, and we should do well.
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(2) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Why did Nietzsche call Kant a 'theologian in disguise'? - Quora
(2) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Why did Nietzsche call Kant a 'theologian in disguise'? - QuoraMutih Skeini has more detail on this than I do. But my reading on this is slightly simpler and also a bit different. I look at it not from the angle of metaphysics, but from the point of view of a pure psychology of differences between “the higher man” and “the lower man”, at is were.
In fact, what Nietzsche was interested in was how such a high caliber mind, as that of Kant, could have two distinctive motivations. Firstly, as a genuine philosopher and person capable of deep thought, he addressed the issue of what it meant to have knowledge very skeptically and rigorously.
But then he seemed to make an extreme swerve in the opposite direction, toward pronouncing that everything was safe and secure, as if reinforced by a divine force.
Nietzsche thought that in the second instance he compromised himself by
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No there isn’t. They have incommensurable talents dealing with incompatible questions. Human beings come to excel in their work by specializing. Some kinds of specialization cover large fields, but the forms of their discourse, or the means and the method of dealing with the information they confront are nonetheless special. This is a problem because what looks as though it works in its own domain can become a danger if it’s applied outside that realm of its competence. Fortunately for Schrödinger, his special field seems to have enclosed it from realms in which people can take it and derive misguidedly dangerous conclusions. Nietzsche had the misfortune of a sister who deliberately distorted his work from his literary estate. You’d have a hard time doing that if you were Schrödinger’s sister. You might do better if you were his cat.
3 viewsView 1 upvoteAlthough in fact I cannot find any specific anti-Semitic elements as distortions in the book she allegedly tampered with the posthumously published WILL TO POWER. The content is much akin to earlier published manuscripts, which is in relation to the concept of “Judea”, but is not driven my nationalistic values whatsoever. The section in the first volume that does ring a slightly false note to me has to do with some elements that are rather trite and prosaic, such as that is good to have a nice, clean house. Also the idea of something like a laissez-faire economy, where everyone battles it out to see who has natural dominance. This seems a bit stretched, given that Nietzsche himself eked out most of his life in extreme poverty.
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(1) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to What's the difference between education and culture? - Quora
(1) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to What's the difference between education and culture? - QuoraIt is interesting what you say, and also indicates that we should not see the dynamic tension between “culture” and “civilisation” as entirely oppositional. This reflects more of a tendency, rather, for energy to be absorbed either in one activity or the other. I am personally not offended by Leni Riefenstahl’s works, and find that, to my mind anyway, there really is a separation between art and State. The current trend is of course in the opposite direction — which is to become extremely hysterical about the possibility of moral contamination from politics, especially “fascism”. In my view, this is a strong sign that “civilisation” is considered far more important than “culture” anymore. People are shoring up their sense of self-worth by investing in “morality”, in the hope that that will be saved from whatever frightens them. But “culture” requires a different latitude of mind. In some ways, it seems that the Nazis did manage to create some “culture”, and I applaud you for recognizing it, especially regarding architecture — and, as you said, the very little burning lights.
But…………..(and this is a long but, which I have very little energy for, due to disposition and fatigue) I must insist that there was something more animating, more vivacious in Weimar art, which the Nazis thought corrupt. I am particularly admiring of Giorgio de Chirico’s atmospheric paintings, although his works have often been conflated with fascism. It seems that people lack the acuity to differentiate the energetic emptiness of grand architectural designs with anything but an adherence to fascism, rather than a complex critique of it, and acknowledgement of life in its complexity.
I will not currently stick my neck out even further to say that the Jews who maintain the greatest distance from Judaism are probably the best: I do not know enough to say this.
But what I am certain about is that in the current era “civilisation” is victor. Culture no longer matters, except in its diminutive form, as a back seat passenger, learning from “morality” in the same way that William Blake described the eagle learning from the crow. I think it is quite wonderous to observe — the march of what Nietzsche called “plebeianism”.
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Jennifer Armstrong's answer to How does one treat the mental health of people who fundamentally have an issue with cultural notions that we take for granted? (E.g., some indigenous people may not want to 'create boundaries' because it seems anti-communal to them) - Quora
Jennifer Armstrong's answer to How does one treat the mental health of people who fundamentally have an issue with cultural notions that we take for granted? (E.g., some indigenous people may not want to 'create boundaries' because it seems anti-communal to them) - QuoraWell most certainly what one should not do is to pander to those who seem to have “different cultural notions”, as this is plainly condescending. Such patronization involves a double-step of first maintaining that “boundary creation” is the universal norm (it isn’t — and for a variety of reasons). And the second step of conceding the right to deviate or express difference is not one’s right to give.
What one should do instead is realize that the idea of “creating boundaries” is a fetish brought on by a particular style of modern upbringing, which emphasizes emotion rather than reason, rights rather than duties, and the pursuit of happiness rather than the pursuit of knowledge.
If this happens NOT to be your upbringing, then you already have systems in place that will obviate your need to think about “boundaries”.
This is because “setting boundaries” is a structural reinforcement solution for those who have little internal discipline or existing mental structure.
People from traditional societies — unless their society has become completely destroyed — do have many, many systems of boundaries, sometimes too many.
Even their systems of collectivism are actually also systems of boundaries, since one is obliged to share what one has, and to participate in a community according to various protocols. . So it really is a big mistake to assume that because Western individuals are now in need of mental splints to make their psyches firm again, that the rest of the world would need them too.
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(27) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Is Nietzsche overrated as a philosopher? - Quora
What is the difference between rationality (logical generalization) and broader associations (on a larger scale of human synapses)? Perhaps there is a mental filter function that selects only the associations considered most rational and disguards more sensual, esoteric and qualitative associations. It sounds like a manly thing to do. No?
It is a very good question, although I have no idea about the filtering out of “more sensual, esoteric and qualitative associations”. In fact, if we are talking about Nietzsche, I think the opposite tends to occur.
But WHY talk about “”the opposite” as if there was a necessary schism between everything? I think what is fascinating about Nietzsche is that his philosophy is undivided — that is to say that his mind is “whole”. The style of mind-body dualism is completely absent, and so that there is no need to eschew what is esoteric.
On the other hand, what we term “rationality” might indeed be a commitment to think using only one part of our minds. It is very limiting, not just because we have to force a schism within ourselves to do so, but more importantly because, once we do this, we can only see on part of reality. We may well end up being sideswiped by something that is coming at us from a totally unexpected direction.
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