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Nietzsche was very interested in how language works. One of his critiques is that language gives us an unexamined metaphysics. In fact, not only does language cause us to conjure up entities that are then presumed to exist in certain ways, but even our very “common sense” is contaminated by this metaphysics.

Consider the way that language insists on there being a subject and an object in every sentence. But in fact our experience of reality is more of a single cloth. When we look back over our own experiences, we are forced to divide the subject from the object in order to “make sense” of what occurred. In other words we reflexively import a “doer”(somebody who “does” something), even in cases where it is not automatically clear that there was a “doer”.

To illustrate this point, Nietzsche suggested we consider the sentence, “Lightning strikes.” In this case the “doer” is lightning and its implied action is that “it strikes”. But, hold on a second. It is enough for us to realize “There is lightning”. The idea that lightning does something in order to strike is redundant.

In the case of human beings, the artificiality of this division into subject and object is not so obvious. But for this very reason, the metaphysics embedded in our use of grammar could be causing us more problems than we know.

For instance, we have very much trained ourselves, perhaps on the basis of the lure of this pattern of grammar, to seek out “doers” in every instance where something dramatic takes place. It is as if, in the case of a lightning strike that damages our roof,, we set up a police crack team to find a certain “Mr lightning”, who can be held responsible. Actually what I am getting at is we seek certain culpable individuals, whom we can blame, in instances where things go wrong. We are on the look out for those who can be held responsible — the alleged “doers”.

No doubt, in life, there really are some actual “doers” in a lot of cases, and in real police work, an action or a crime can be traced back to them. But it is amazing how often we seek to nail the presumed perpetrators when the situation isn’t really like that: for instance there is no particular person who did a particular thing, that brought about a particular outcome. Often our minds don’t stop to realize this, because we in hot pursuit for the responsible “doer”, spurred on by our inurement to grammar.

Just to give you one example of how far this tendency can go, I will relate something from my own experience, as unbelievable as it can be. As I have said, it is unbelievable enough, but the fact that I was born in Africa during the time that a colonial regime had some power, is deemed by some to have been an extraordinary crime that I was atone for. Actually, the event of colonialism is much, much bigger than me. But he idea that there should be someone, somewhere, who atones for an event that one disapproves of would seem to be strongly inbuilt into our human mode of reasoning. By contrast, it is much more difficult, it seems, to say, “these sorts of things just happen!”

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  1.  Different domains. As long as the control of the domain is not interfered with, both can win at their own games.


    As an ENTP, I tend to take into consideration external patterns, and the feelings people have about embracing these external patterns. Then I think about them and form connections between different conceptual structures, or what we might call “paradigms”. This really isn't a form of magic, although it might be taken to be as much by those who can't see how I got there. What I'm really doing is making a mental map of outlying terrain. This helps me to understand systems, how they function, and where their functional flaws are. But more than that, over an extensive period of time and experience, I can also make effective cognitive leaps, for instance to see that the Myer-Briggs function Fi is most likely undergirding belief systems in Ontology, and that such consequent implicit beliefs in “the soul”, “self”, or an identity that remains unchanging, are inevitably linked to a moralizing tendency, which is in turn linked to the notion of teleology. (That “we are here on this Earth to undergo systems of improvement.”) And I can link ALL of this to Nietzsche’s critique of “slave morality”. In short “ontology=slave morality”.


    The problem is to explain the long and tireless process by which I came to this conclusion or realisation. It's not that I don't know — I can state what I've encountered over time — but every time I point to the exterior world and say, “Look there, there are actually patterns we can register!” I hit a blank. This is even with INTJs, who lack Ne (extraverted intuition ) and so fail to see “the patterns”.


    And so that's the problem, right there! I can win on my own terms, every time, if I just go along with my own mental map, on which I see “patterns”, but if I try to explain it, I meet with hostility. Apparently to register reality in this way is “grandiose”, no matter how painstaking ones methods may be or how much they include checking and rechecking.


    So we can see how the INTJs can win by stealth, simply by relabelling something that is very good ( extraverted intuition, in fact) as something more mysterious and harmful, in fact something very bad indeed. Certainly they do not directly observe the external ”patterns” in the world, that make up our environment. They're more inclined to just pick up a sense of things and run with it. If they are wrong, then they are overcommitted to being very wrong. Of course they could knit together a plausible sounding explanation, and because they are much more systematic than an ENTP ( due to extraverted thinking), they would be more likely to believed.


    Somehow, however, I don't like reverse alchemy: this changing back from gold into its former base metal. But alas it is one of the INTJs covert powers to beat the ENTP.

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  2.  I love it. But Twain was in a sense too optimistic as travel is not always the answer. Or rather nothing beats being a local yokel and experiencing things from the ground. For instance a traveling diplomat may well be insulated from experiencing the worst a country has to offer, not just in terms of his own mind —his bubble of expectations — but what others design to show him.


    In the case of myself, most definitely home grown, I've now been able to recognise the crudity of the very typical American response to me in its constant iteration, “You couldn't have experienced patriarchy, Jennifer. You were brought up in a leafy suburb, and were treated like a Disney Princess.”. I mean, really? Comprehension starting at zero point, and then maintaining its consistent speed? Again?!

    https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-get-someone-to-use-language-that-confirms-they-have-understood-my-perspective-and-not-just-my-words/answer/Jennifer-Armstrong-115?comment_id=402925539&comment_type=2

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  3.  So, a major shift that has happened in the past decade or so is that there has been movement away from troubling oneself with complexity. At the forefront of this movement is Jordan Peterson, who sees the problem from a psychological viewpoint, but not from a philosophical one.


    The situation itself is very interesting to me. Complexity, as a philosophical facet of meaning, has been foisted on the public, some might argue. The edifice of poststructuralism and postmodernism does not seem to do society as much good at all, other than fuel confusion and infighting. From a psychological point of view this is highly problematic. (I, myself, was tiring if complexity, since it never seemed to have an end, but only allowed others to hide behind a few foggy notion of my own historical reality in order to attack me.)


    But here's the rub. Due to a general intolerance of what is perceived as “postmodernism” (let's not even debate if this is the correct name at this point) complexity, as such, as been blacklisted. From a philosophical point of view now we have a problem. Psychology want to take it upon itself to label complexity as “grandiosity”. In doing so, it expects to get rid of the problem of “postmodernism”.


    Ok, this is not a small problem. I've looked into it, and found that the ramifications of this choice are enormous. There is also a structure here: the broader majority actually have no use for philosophy, so their own psychology is better served by notions that embrace simplicity. So it is that those who feel that they have no use for philosophy defend themselves from the clumsy complexity of college graduates, along with the real complexity of meaning that exists beyond the ken of basic, popular psychology.


    The institute of psychology, however, now feeling renewed vigor, immediately steps in to label those who feel some complexity in life as “grandiose”. It's false from the point of view of philosophy, but completely the right things to do from the point of view of the needs of the majority (since they don't actually need philosophy and feel confused by it, as evidenced by the surfeit of confused college graduates over the past couple of decades).


    I, myself, was in another way completely confused by this turn of events. Why was something treated as grandiose just because it was complex? I couldn't get my points across no matter how hard I tried, and found myself questioning whether they were too complex to meet the criteria for human understanding. It didn't add up that more difficult thoughts ought not to be conveyed, since this higher level of complexity merely meant a wider net for reality. But I found myself constantly stymied and forced to attempt to express myself in a range that was much narrower than my needs.


    In terms of philosophy versus popular and institutional psychology, it was philosophy that came to my rescue. Or, rather it was a very careful read if Nietzsche's Will to Power that clued me in to what was actually happening. I could understand it in terms of a rift developing between popular needs and values and those who actually needed philosophy to make sense of their lives.


    So, in conclusion , JP as a leader of the masses, or more general populace, is right. Or right so long as Nietzsche’s views are right. There ought to be a limit to what levels of complexity the masses should endure. (On this they both tacitly agree ). In Nietzsche ‘s view, philosophy ought not to be spread around, but should be for those who need it. The majority do not need it. When philosophy, as complexity, enters the popular terrain, it only makes things worse. (Whether or not one agrees with this, the material reality of this consensus is demonstrated in just how many followers JP has accrued.)


    To add another personal note, this sense of Nietzschean elitism with regard to philosophy doesn't entirely sit well with me, but I've had my own sense of complexity persecuted and run to ground to such a high degree that for my own personal safety and sanctity of mind I am obliged to side with it anyway.

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    Oh, that’s what really gets you in the end, all that intelligent, or rather cunning, misunderstanding being practised bloody everywhere, at every level. The stupidity is bad enough, but this at least straightforward most of the time. But the innumerable strategies developed for missing the point, just slightly, deliberately and sabotaging communication, whilst signalling good intentions and preferably concurrently exploiting any triggers to possibly provoke a little irritability or aggression in the other, to come across as the mature one, or the victim. Is there an academy somewhere these days? The energy people expend on not avoiding responsibility while still looking accountable most often far exceeds the efforts they’re shirking.

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    Ah yes! An extremely pertinent point you make here! The human capacity to ‘Intelligently misunderstand” seems to extend way beyond their invention of metaphysics, and is a key feature of middle class “professionalism” and its politics. Although as you say, it also seems to be practiced “on every level”. The little narcissistic stabs by the terminal “misunderstanders”. — these would eventually build up enough poison in us to destroy us in the end. But I think there is a game changer on the horizon, which is A.I. and especially the technology such as ChatGPT. It will render this style of misunderstanding not only meaningless, but genuinely counter-productive. The cost will accrue to the willful “misunderstander”, because A.I. is going to make the professional middle classed largely redundant. After this point, humanity will be divided into two functions. The majority will consist of those who cannot think at all, because they are too easily “triggered’ to be able to endure an education. The other level, of the minority, will be those who never stopped thinking and observing, but are too strong minded to submit to the way carved out by A.I. Meet me on that side.

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    What part of being a psychologist harmed your personal mind?
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    Well I’m not a psychologist. But what confused and bewitched me for the longest time, and harmed my IMpersonal mind was not realizing that psychology, in this day and age, is a language of sensitivity. This is quite an interest point to discover, since if one speaks the language of psychology (specifically I mean that taught in the Freudian school onward, and in the psychotherapeutic context), one is speaking with the sensitivity of a small child, whether or not one really feels that way.

    There is a problem here because this form of contemporary psychology has entered the humanities, too, to the degree that Freud has permeated its fabric. My background in education and training was up to PhD level in the humanities, hence, one may say that in a sense I was well and truly brainwashed. Thus one is educated to speak a language that in turn connotes to others that one is tangled up in threads of hyper-sensitivity. But what if this is false? What if it becomes an overlay that prevents one from telling the real narrative?

    Specifically, and some might say “ironically”, what the therapeutic language does is to prevent one from conveying ANY of the meaning of one’s real world problems. They simply do not make sense, or will not be believed. One’s own language, which implies a reference to childhood experience, or to mere “subjectivities” mitigates against it.

    The consequence of using the language provided by the therapists and Freudian psychologists is that as the real life problems mount, which includes the problem of communication, one has absolutely no means to set things back on course. I’ve had extremely Pinteresque interactions with psychologists, which go absolutely nowhere, because they have ignored more remarks that the issues I am speaking about having absolutely nothing to do with sensitivity — my own, or that of those around me. The therapeutic language itself mitigates against speaking about any aspect of reality.

    I had a year’s worth of therapy in one instance, during which time I tried to cope with an extreme level of inflammation in my body, which had been caused by vast hormonal fluctuations. Eventually, during this time and later, I figured out the problem, gave a name to it — systemic inflammation — and found lifestyle adaptations to resolve it. But the problem itself was not something we could talk about, since it had no bearing on the language of sensitivity, so my indifference and frustration mounted.

    But the most Pintaresque thing of all was when she made up her mind to ask the patient directly: “Why will nobody help you?” At this point I had a feeling like when the screws ask you, in a prison drama, who it was that beat you up. You realize that all answers would incriminate only yourself. I kept mum.

    I haven’t been in prison, but the sense that whatever I had to say at that point would only expedite the imposition of another false narrative was something I felt palpably.

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    Well postmodernism was an attempt to deal with the irrational nature of existence, particularly the sense that there were now too many moral principles, counter-weaving and contradicting one another. Postmodernism was, in a sense, glib, but in the face of a real seriousness and sense of being overwhelmed as to how to make sense of power structures, and their conflicting demands, in a manner that embraced a transcendental morality.

    So now what do we have? A moral earnestness which attempts to make the old Christian moral paradigm work again, but this time anchoring it in “biology” rather than in transcendental reason. This is the ideological newcomer to the stage, which attempts to reconstruct some of the features of the past, although more modestly, but nonetheless using the rhetoric of appealing to biology in order to instruct women back into the home, and to encourage men to be on top.

    I think we need to give this new fledgling some time to consolidate its gains. It may be that a large number of people will embrace it, some unwittingly, but others because it furthers their own agenda, to gain strength through ideological simplification.

    Ultimately, though, I foresee that this will be a consolidation of mediocrity, which Nietzsche’s philosophy addresses at length in the last two books of Will to Power. This is in the context of the idea that the majority of people are capable only of reproducing the human race, without leaving an intellectual or creative mark. Even the leader of the movement, J P himself, admits that the majority of people are simply not going to be highly intellectual or creative. Perhaps what one can learn from this is that they need a morality that can consolidate their own strengths, which is to maintain a certain level of “averageness”, whilst assuring that what is average and normative is also reproduced. (In my own view the heavy emphasis on biological reproduction, as seen in J P’s videos, also comes into this.)

    So, postmodernism is out, and perhaps this is a good thing too, as it was always rather elitist. It was also stymied in effectiveness by its own insistence on a Kantian transcendentalism. It made sense to very few people, and muddled the minds of many, whilst making a fetish in wallowing in its own self-gratifying sense of moral indecisiveness.

    What will have to happen next is that the consolidated mass of humanity, that embraces quite self-consciously the morality of averageness — or what Nietzsche calls “mediocrity” — will gain an extreme level of self-assurety to the point that they close the circle around themselves to prevent any further change. By locking themselves into solid moral values, they will also lock out other modes of thought that would be too challenging.

    Thus it will be that finally, as Nietzsche had expected, two human races will develop — one that safeguards the importance of convention and simplicity in morality, and the other that “plays dangerously” with ideas and thoughts, whilst living far outside of the awareness of the mass majority.

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  9. (6) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to What are your thoughts on Jordan Peterson's chances of winning the Nobel Prize? - Quora

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    Well he has striven to come up with a middle-class ideology to save the intellectual middle classes — those who are not too bright to be real intellectuals, but who are better off having a firm moral system to guide them. It is also clear that he is speaking to, and behalf of these people, who actually form a demographic majority, when he focuses primarily on reproductive issues. The idea he promulgates is that reproduction provides the primary meaning in life. Now, this would be the case only for the majority, but not for the exceptions in humanity — a point Nietzsche mentions.

    But can JP’s efforts help to bolster those in the “intellectual middle”? Can he provide a system or a way of thinking that is simple enough, authoritative enough, and reliable enough to improve the quality of life of those who view reproduction as their life’s mission? And can he do so without making it worse for those of us who view things very differently?

    I do sense that these middle class values have become stronger online, in the past ten years or so, and this is largely indicated by a shift to Christian influenced values, and away from humanism. Along with the advent of this new online culture, we also find the idea of sinfulness and the notion that it is possible to “burn” (perhaps through guilt and shame).. These metaphysical notions are required to keep our middle classes on the straight and narrow. The point is that they accept their different roles as men and women, and produce babies, which is their life’s mission. (This is a different twist from old-fashioned Christianity, which had the goal of purifying the soul.)

    But once again, what effect does this new ideology have on others who may want something entirely different? We can certainly speak of a hegemony that is in place when those of us who think very, very differently indeed are silenced, on the basis that it is inferred that all we really, really want to do is to reproduce. We don’t.

    I have, personally, found a difficulty with people not being able to correctly grasp my written tone, ever since the shift took place from humanism back to Christianity. This ideology maintains that there is a distinctly feminine tone, and that it is to be disregarded on all matters other than to do with femininity. So what I say and do is regularly disregarded as though I had a neurotic tone. I don’t.

    It’s very vexing, though, and so much so that I have finally understood a large portion of Nietzsche’s philosophizing in Will to Power, where he insists that the middle class and its morality should be destroyed, and instead a chasm should open up between those who are high and those who are low, with no bridging mechanism in-between. The fact that there is a middle-class morality can obscure the actual differences between two types of humans, by making them seem to merge into one another though different shades of grey. Nietzsche wants a stark black and white instead, so that we are not confounded with one another.

    I would have found this idea weird and extreme in the past, but now I see the need to make a division as a very basic requirement for my own dignity and sanity. If I look at the material that JP produces, I cannot identify with how he characterizes “human nature”. I find it mispresents everything I do and everything I think, at least to the extent that I am coerced to viewing things in his terms. And the coercion, believe me, is there and palpable. For instance if I were to object to a video I saw yesterday, that stated that women, essentially, and hormonally were “neurotic” from puberty onward, you can bet your bottom dollar (I am willing to receive your money as a bet) that there would be people popping up to tell me that my views on this matter were merely “neurotic”. So, to me, the spiritual middle classes are a problem, and I must worker harder to separate myself from the law and the ideology they impose.

    I can’t actually, you know, totally destroy this bridging class, as Nietzsche suggests. But I will be increasingly divorcing myself from any participation online, as my resolution for the new year.

    But as for whether J P deserves a Nobel prize for saving that which Nietzsche planned to destroy, I think that would come down to the values of the bestowers. Let them bestow in terms of what they feel is fit.

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  10. Jennifer Armstrong's answer to What did Nietzsche think about meta-languages? - Quora


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    Nietzsche was very interested in how language works. One of his critiques is that language gives us an unexamined metaphysics. In fact, not only does language cause us to conjure up entities that are then presumed to exist in certain ways, but even our very “common sense” is contaminated by this metaphysics.

    Consider the way that language insists on there being a subject and an object in every sentence. But in fact our experience of reality is more of a single cloth. When we look back over our own experiences, we are forced to divide the subject from the object in order to “make sense” of what occurred. In other words we reflexively import a “doer”(somebody who “does” something), even in cases where it is not automatically clear that there was a “doer”.

    To illustrate this point, Nietzsche suggested we consider the sentence, “Lightning strikes.” In this case the “doer” is lightning and its implied action is that “it strikes”. But, hold on a second. It is enough for us to realize “There is lightning”. The idea that lightning does something in order to strike is redundant.

    In the case of human beings, the artificiality of this division into subject and object is not so obvious. But for this very reason, the metaphysics embedded in our use of grammar could be causing us more problems than we know.

    For instance, we have very much trained ourselves, perhaps on the basis of the lure of this pattern of grammar, to seek out “doers” in every instance where something dramatic takes place. It is as if, in the case of a lightning strike that damages our roof,, we set up a police crack team to find a certain “Mr lightning”, who can be held responsible. Actually what I am getting at is we seek certain culpable individuals, whom we can blame, in instances where things go wrong. We are on the look out for those who can be held responsible — the alleged “doers”.

    No doubt, in life, there really are some actual “doers” in a lot of cases, and in real police work, an action or a crime can be traced back to them. But it is amazing how often we seek to nail the presumed perpetrators when the situation isn’t really like that: for instance there is no particular person who did a particular thing, that brought about a particular outcome. Often our minds don’t stop to realize this, because we in hot pursuit for the responsible “doer”, spurred on by our inurement to grammar.

    Just to give you one example of how far this tendency can go, I will relate something from my own experience, as unbelievable as it can be. As I have said, it is unbelievable enough, but the fact that I was born in Africa during the time that a colonial regime had some power, is deemed by some to have been an extraordinary crime that I was atone for. Actually, the event of colonialism is much, much bigger than me. But he idea that there should be someone, somewhere, who atones for an event that one disapproves of would seem to be strongly inbuilt into our human mode of reasoning. By contrast, it is much more difficult, it seems, to say, “these sorts of things just happen!”

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  11. (1) What are some ways people deal with ugly truths? - Quora


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    This is a wonderful elucidation of the new ideology, "I am just my biology". Excellent exposition, in fact.

    In chess you don’t complain about how the pieces move. You learn how to play the game. Yeah it sucks that bishops are stuck on one color, and knights move in that weird hopping fashion—but the rules of life are deep in our DNA, you’ll gain much more from learning to play the game than focusing on the tragedy of the unfairness of it. At least chess is symmetrical.

    One of the hard truths of life is that many interactions are not symmetrical. One of the keys to success is having a lot of money in the bank so you can fail repeatedly. If you are poor, many times you have one shot. If you are wealthy you can try several businesses and succeed on your third or fourth try (the average successful business is started by someone over 40 and is their third attempt).

    The biggest ugly truth we all must face is that we are not as great or talented as we were told by all the adults trying to “Improve our self-esteem” in childhood. This can be earth shattering for many people, and a lot of people spend their lives cocooning themselves in narratives to hide the truth from themselves. The issue is when you do this you sacrifice the potential for success for fantasy—it’s a choice many choose to make.

    To be successful as adults we need to construct accurate models of reality. Accepting ugly truths is a key element of this. The monopoly on technologies of violence is the key determining factor of history. People have different talents and skills that for the most part are genetically predetermined. Love is a hormonal system designed to keep you blinded to truth till you have become (or gotten someone) pregnant. You’ll never be able to change people to make relationships or an ideal society work. There are no solutions, only tradeoffs. The list goes on…

    One of the most difficult books i ever read was The Mating Mind by Miller. He argued that the human cerebral canopy evolved like a peacocks tale. I hated reading it. He disassembled things I thought were valuable and revealed them to just be ways to single my mate value. I thought I was compassionate and cared about the disadvantaged, he pointed out I just talked about it to demonstrate my childrearing potential symbolically. My resources still just went to my family—like any mammal would. My independent streak and argumentation for free market principles was just a way for me to signal my resource acquisition potential—again I was just signaling like a peacock with their tail. (my tale of what I wanted to be perceived as, when in reality I am just an ape wearing a costume acting serious—acting the way apes always have, just with the ability to deceive myself and others with stories)

    Coming out of the cocoon of my self-congratulatory narratives was painful, but now I have a more accurate view of reality. This allows me to make better decisions, which has resulted in more career success. This is the key way to deal with Ugly truths: realize that once you have accepted them you will see the world more clearly—and he who sees most clearly wins (most of the time).

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    How does Nietzsche's idea of the will to power differ from that of Freud?
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    It’s actually very different indeed. The main point of difference is that psychoanalysis naturalizes the existing systems of power, particularly patriarchal power, (which is deemed in all of its manifestations to be healthy and normal). Freud approaches the matter of human relations from a perspective of conventionality. Underneath this are several moral presuppositions, maintaining the idea that convention is healthy, and that deviation from convention is a sign of those who are maladaptive “discontents”.

    Actually, there is both a similarity and a difference in this view of Freud’s compared with that of Nietzsche. Nietzsche himself actually valorizes convention, in a lot of ways (a point that would surprise some of his followers). In the last part of his volumes called Will to Power, Nietzsche speaks of his idea that humanity is maintained as a whole by virtue of the fact that the majority of people are simply conventional and cannot be anything more than this. He sees that there is even a sort of strength in this, that “mediocrity” offers, one might say, a stronger basis for personality development than that which available to “exceptions”. He puts it this way, that the weakest of the conventional people are still generally stronger than those who find themselves in the position of “exceptions”.

    Along with this, what is similar is that both Nietzsche and Freud appraise, in their different ways, the adherence to convention as laudable in itself. Freud sees it, in effect, as ego-syntonic, and also a sign that one, as I have said, is not pathologically maladjusted. Nietzsche goes a bit further in terms of his own clarity of position by labeling such adherence as, (one might say) “morality itself”.

    However — and one must understand this in both cases —- “morality” has a different principle on which it operates than do those who understand and involve themselves with the operations of power. Moral systems invoke the desirability of conformity, of settling down, and behaving conventionally. They appeal to people who already have personalities that are very common or typical. More importantly, systems of morality create a fence or limit around what is possible for a human being. And even more interestingly, moral systems place a roof over a certain normative or conventional level of human experience, and denounce anything outside of this as “reprehensible” or “evil”.

    So, Freud’s system — which can actually be viewed as a moral system, as I’ve intimated —safeguards the well-being of highly normative by keeping human experience within a contained and limited space. The herd is thus protected, by a reinforcement of the idea that convention is, in effect, “morality”.

    What Nietzsche does, however, is to side with this notion of convention, and to reinforce it. He denies that there can in fact be anything that goes beyond convention that can still be “moral”. Anything that doesn’t embrace mediocrity ought to be viewed as thoroughly “immoral”.

    Unlike Freud, however, Nietzsche views that there are very immoral people, living above the roof system that contains and protects “The herd”. These are people who have no form of protection whatsoever, least of all from systems of morality. Moreover, because they sit above the roof that is designed to protect the herd, the herd cannot make them out clearly. The moral systems invented by the herd for its own protection give the herd no means to grasp the independence of mind that enables one to be a roof-sitter. Of course the herd are naturally antagonistic to the roof-sitters, and accuse them of all sorts of devious and immoral acts. (And well they should, says Nietzsche. They are quite within their rights to do so, as the roof sitters do genuinely pose a threat to the herd’s systems of conventions, and so make life much more difficult for those who crave only their own safety.)

    “Will to power”, though, is the barefaced immorality that happens above the purview of the herd.

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  13. Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Is the internet having a good or a bad impact on our lives? - Quora


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    It probably is neither. I am coming more and more to Nietzsche's idea of eternal recurrence, that fundamentally the elements that make up humanity do not change their value. There can, however, be a drop in the level of culture, from higher to lower, which I think is what has actually occurred.

    But if we look at this in a Nietzschean way as well, this is just cracking open the kernel of what was already there, revealing human society for what it is. In the past, prior to the Internet, much more of human thoughts and aspirations were cloaked with the ideas that came from a higher strain of culture. It was, for instance, in the same way that the weddings of the common folk even today have the form of allowing them to become aristocrats for just one day.

    In a similar sense, people in the near recent past were spoon-fed higher quality dramas and written materials through the regular media and other established sources. It made things look as if people were more cultivated and aware than they actually might have been, since this was the only go-to source, which came from one level higher than average, everyday normality.

    It seems we are now seeing things as they actually are, which is that people tend to prefer many things that were once through pedestrian or not altogether sophisticated. The values promulgated over the Internet have various forms of right-wing populism, or left-wing populism.

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  14. (1) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to What is Nietzsche's critique of morality? - Quora


    From everything you've stated, it seems that he didn't even have the kind of potential that history gives him, and honestly, his end isn't even surprising. In any case, it is not one's own immorality that demands the establishment of the morality of a society, which he calls a herd, but it is precisely the immorality of the same herd, recognized through the eyes of a moral individual, that demands the reestablishment of morality. And it is wisdom that negates his claims, so if we look at the history of mankind and the world in general, we can find that it has been preserved all along by the wisdom of those who led the "herds", but today we face a real danger of cataclysm due to the influence individuals on the environment, which together form a crowd, as long as it is not overtaken by the reality of a nuclear conflict between two or more superpowers. Therefore, individualism and the egoism associated with it is extremely unreasonable, in my opinion even a stupid path, which inevitably leads to the destruction of everyone. Of course, just my opinion.

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    A few points: One. It is quite typical of “the herd” to make covertly vicious and antagonistic remarks in a glib fashion, such as “honestly his end isn’t even surprising”. It is due to this observable tendency that Nietzsche rises up against the so-called “morality” of the herd. It’s not really so moral when one hates on other people to this degree and wishes them harm.

    Secondly, Nietzsche doesn’t actually disagree with you that herd morality has a preservative effect. His point of disagreement is that he doesn’t think that “herd morality” is the only morality possible.

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  15. (1) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to How do you deal with an audience who is not responsive to your performance? - Quora

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    The majority of people these days are not going to be highly responsive and this is because are currently undergoing a cultural low point, where much of reality, including artistic contributions and constructs are reduced to mere psychological definitions.

    As a consequence of too many armchair diagnosticians, the works of art we come across do not have time to really percolate through the society, or in our minds. instead of allowing the art to lead us down as yet unvisited corridors, we pre-empt the entire process by making evaluations on an individual psychological level. Our favorite it to judge those who have something more interesting to say as “grandiose”.

    As a consequence of this we are to a large extent in an era of unresponsiveness. All the question marks that philosophy raises, and the mystery that art seeks to evoke already have readymade “answers” (although not actually real answers at all). Psychology and psychiatry provide the stop-gap to the mind, preventing it from questioning, or looking deeper.

    How one deals with this is by realizing what has occurred. One must allow what is, in Nietzsche’s terms, a certain degree of “leveling”, whereby those who adopt psychological explanations are left to do so. One yields the ground of “psychological explanations” to them. Over a bit more time, those who have adopted psychological explanations will forge themselves into the lower part of culture. This lower sector will be functional, regulated and highly standardized. It will also have the tendency to self-police anything that isn’t bland, and to raise psychological question marks against it.

    After an even longer time, those who can still create art will forge a higher culture. This higher culture will eschew all psychological explanations in favor of much grittier, much more profound, and highly meaningful and colorful take on reality. Entrance to this level of higher culture will come at a premium price.

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    Do you think Friedrich Nietzsche's idea of the "Übermensch" is a positive or negative vision for humanity?
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    I think it is intended as a compensatory vision for humanity.

    The problem here is the idea of “progress”, because it leads us downwards. “Truth” also leads us in a similar direction, toward more revelatory trauma.

    The fact is that we humans have invested heavily in what is destined to be the exact wrong areas in which to invest our thoughts, time and knowledge. Although we have not necessarily realized it yet, investment in “truth” ultimately leads to the realization that life, itself, is utterly horrible and traumatic, and ought not to be continued. We ought to finish with life, never to return to it again. (This is the result of the most rigorous thought, which takes things on a whole.)

    Currently, the direction of our contemporary cultural development is more, and more toward this “truth”. And fundamentally, as Nietzsche has pointed out, this is truth as such. The psychotherapists and the left wing agitators, and virtually everybody else, all urge us to become “more sensitive”, and less inclined to put up walls between ourselves and other fellow sufferers. But what this does is, instead of reducing the amount of suffering, increases it a thousand-fold. All the more when there are agitators at the door demanding that we express “empathy”.

    As Nietzsche predicted, the inevitable trajectory of humankind is, in this sense, downward, toward an increasing sensitivity toward pain. The ultimate conclusion of this process will be in the sentiment that “life is not worth living — it has to be escaped in some way.” Mind you, this is the conclusion of those who are most astute.

    So, according to Nietzsche, the principle of adhering to “truth” is going to lead the majority in a downward path, to endure a much greater sensitivity to pain, and to fear making creative paths and solutions because they seem automatically “false”. To Nietzsche, and to those who see the writing on the wall, this is quite a depressing outcome.

    But, what if there really is a creative solution to this inevitable downslide into heightened pain and sensitivity? What if there is a redemptive factor that rises above the morass?

    Nietzsche’s idea of the “overman” is clearly intended as such a creative outcome, which is also a positive solution for humanity.

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  17. (2) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to Do you believe that Friedrich Nietzsche's writings on nihilism are still relevant today? - Quora


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    Kind of yeah. If we understand what “nihilism” is, then I think they are very relevant. Because nihilism comes in many forms, we do not automatically perceive it as such, but I think that today the popularization of psychological ideas and terminology in online culture is just such a manifestation of a rather extreme nihilism.

    It may not seem so at first, but upon a closer analysis, one finds that psychological explanations are taking the place of other forms of more complex reasoning and cultural development. A symptom of this is in the prevalence of questions that have the form, “What sort of mental illness does [particular author/literary character have?”

    If Don Quixote is merely mentally ill, and we in our current set of circumstances can judge him as such, then of course there is no need to understand allegory, or to engage with humor, or to acknowledge that, by Jove, life in itself can be intrinsically complex. The idea that imagination and reason could ever mix, or that it could produce a result of tolerable humor is anathema nowadays. Morality and arm-chair psychologizing link hands, to make it a crime to think that one should in fact express humour in any situation. What about the hurt feelings of the poor victims, of which, for all we know Don Quixote could be one?

    There is a degree here of utter and rampant political correctness, and oversimplification (as I said morality linking arms with psychological theorizing), to the extent that things that are obviously NOT “highly sensitive” or prone to being easily fragile are defined as if they are. We would have to look at the moral corruption of Gilbert and Sullivan, and how they abused, and misused their poor stage performers, by exploiting their deep mental illnesses, if we were to bring the past in line with the present and its pure zealousness for moral reform.

    But, as Nietzsche pointed out, moral reform is an ideology of those prone to wishful thinking. The genuinely mentally ill engage in it more than most. The sad side effect of such proneness, however, is to eliminate the relevance of art, especially of artistic complexity.

    This is a feature of strong nihilism.

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  18. (3) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to 'To think, it is often better not to understand, for one can gallop along, understanding for miles and miles, without the slightest thought being produced.' What does Lacan means by this? - Quora

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    I believe I “understand” (LOL)…because it may be similar to what Deleuze, I think, had to say, which was that to understand means to “stand under”. Deleuze, however, was more focused on how systems of power operate, whereas I think in the case of Lacan it has more to do with the principle of being able to think an original thought without being guided down typical paths and alleyways.

    Understanding is a constraint to accept the typical patterns of thinking — the ‘logic” by which a particular problem it typically solved. Our minds deceive us that we are the ones in the position of knowledge, when we hear somebody relate their story to us. We think that we know, better than they do, what is “really wrong” and “how to fix it”. But all we do in that case, is to provide another iteration of the problem, and at times to magnify it. We are not actually fixing the problem when we believe we have obtained a superior perspective. The structure of our understanding —although reinforced by the fact that other perceive reality in a similar way — leads only to a dead end, where the typical way of viewing things is given primacy over the real problem.

    Consider, for instance, my own case — born in Rhodesia, through no fault of my own. I could go to a therapist with my typical complaint that others invade my personal space, betray me, and devalue me, all because they think I have not learned enough yet about bourgeois principles of equality.

    But what a typical listener hears from this is quite the opposite to anything new or perceptive. They hear, “This person, Jennifer, is constantly in need of further education on the tenets of equality — which she still hasn’t managed to internalize, despite multiple people telling her to change her ways.”

    This is to say, humanity in general is primed to process information at the level of their understanding. They see the pattern that “makes sense”, and they aim, as much as possible to find a further iteration of that pattern. The outcome is to direct me along paths of being re-educated about right and wrong, good and bad, equality and inequality.

    But “understanding” misleads us generally. Because what we do when we “understand, we reinforce already existing patterns of thinking and responses that are not new at all. The iteration that I don’t know about “equality” and have never heard about it, does not assist the situation, which is born out of others’ perceptions, namely the feeling that they are obliged to place measures of correction over me, as well as to prove that the present values dominate over those of the past.

    Given that most people can only make another iteration of what they have previously heard (that is, to express themselves in terms of the prevailing patterns, and to repeat them), how is it possible to really come up with something new? To be able to “perceive” means breaking with the patterns of the past. That is to say, one cannot presume to dwell at the mere level of “understanding”.

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  19. (3) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to 'To think, it is often better not to understand, for one can gallop along, understanding for miles and miles, without the slightest thought being produced.' What does Lacan means by this? - Quora


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    I believe I “understand” (LOL)…because it may be similar to what Deleuze, I think, had to say, which was that to understand means to “stand under”. Deleuze, however, was more focused on how systems of power operate, whereas I think in the case of Lacan it has more to do with the principle of being able to think an original thought without being guided down typical paths and alleyways.

    Understanding is a constraint to accept the typical patterns of thinking — the ‘logic” by which a particular problem it typically solved. Our minds deceive us that we are the ones in the position of knowledge, when we hear somebody relate their story to us. We think that we know, better than they do, what is “really wrong” and “how to fix it”. But all we do in that case, is to provide another iteration of the problem, and at times to magnify it. We are not actually fixing the problem when we believe we have obtained a superior perspective. The structure of our understanding —although reinforced by the fact that other perceive reality in a similar way — leads only to a dead end, where the typical way of viewing things is given primacy over the real problem.

    Consider, for instance, my own case — born in Rhodesia, through no fault of my own. I could go go a therapist with my typical complaint that others invade my personal space, betray me, and devalue me, all because they think I have not learned enough yet about bourgeois principles of equality.

    But what a typical listener hears from this is quite the opposite to anything new or perceptive. They hear, “This person, Jennifer, is constantly in need of further education on the tenets of equality — which she still hasn’t managed to internalize, despite multiple people telling her to change her ways.”

    This is to say, humanity in general is primed to process information at the level of their understanding. They see the pattern that “makes sense”, and they aim, as much as possible to find a further iteration of that pattern (in order to save me from myself). The outcome is to direct me along paths of being re-educated about right and wrong, good and bad, equality and inequality.

    But “understanding” misleads us generally. Because what we do when we “understand, we reinforce already existing patterns of thinking and responses that are not new at all. The iteration that I don’t know about “equality” and have never heard about it, does not assist the situation, which is born out of others’ perceptions, namely the feeling that they are obliged to place measures of correction over me, as well as to prove that the present values dominate over those of the past.

    Given that most people can only make another iteration of what they have previously heard (that is, to express themselves in terms of the prevailing patterns, an to repeat them), how is it possible to really come up with something new? To be able to “perceive” means breaking with the patterns of the past. That is to say, one cannot presume to dwell at the mere level of “understanding”.

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  20. (4) Jennifer Armstrong's answer to What is the definition of the term 'will to power' as used by philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche? What are some examples of it? - Quora

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    Very good question!

    in his four posthumously published volumes, Nietzsche sets up several outlines as to how some larger chunks of society express themselves in terms of art, politics and social attitudes. He also gives them an outline to modernize their ideas along lines that are no longer theological. That is, he lays out a blueprint for the “modern soul” to express their natures in a manner that is no longer morally squeamish.

    The main idea here is to see human relations in the terms he coined, “will to power”, rather than in terms of some kind of mysterious agenda that would require us to morally perfect ourselves (in other words instead of implicit and explicit theological ideologies).

    His conflict with the relatively prevailing theological perspective of his time was in the idea that we are not supposed to improve ourselves, because everything that exists has a measure of power that is unchanging, and that we remain, in this sense, true to ourselves despite many cycles of growth and destruction. We are what we are, moving toward a direction that is driven by an underlying agenda that we all have, toward development (increasing our power, not increasing our morality or our “knowledge”). But this growth spurt that we all have a drive to embrace is no more and no less than the quantum of power already within us. (In other words, we merely actualize what is already “there” in its seed form, through seeking our own expansion and design to master what is weaker.)

    Now the currently controversial or despised term “weakness” is, in this case, very much a relative term, based in the notion of an underlying sense that we are constantly on the move and trying to master ourselves, and new situations, in order to improve. But there is also an understanding here that human hierarchies implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) are built on the notion that those who gain mastery will in turn dominate those who do not do so.

    A point to bear in mind here is that Nietzsche does express a certain revulsion toward a very direct form of “will to power”. He despises militarism and actual physical dominance, but nonetheless he wants to see those who are actually psychologically astute (because of self-mastery) come into a position of obtaining actual social power. It is to this end that he writes in ways that engage with many social perspectives (and sometimes promulgate them), because he wants to find a way through the forest of modern styles of thinking, to the point that “the higher man” will earn his role and place in a more natural style of society.

    In all I think Nietzsche finds (as I do) that the “higher man” — one who has more complexity and drive to create “higher culture” is the meat in the sandwich between the earnestly pious masses (who are not so innocent at all in their piety, as they seek scapegoats) and those who employ power crudely and mechanistically (like the bourgeois and the nationalists). In the four volumes, which involve a multidimensional and multifaceted look at how “modern” society is shaping up to be, Nietzsche’s main concern is the suffering of the “higher man” and how it might be vindicated.

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